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Contents 1 Expansion notes in spell lists 2 Specialist wizards? 3 Spells 4 Pseudo-casting (wizard) 5 Epic Wizard Level Progression Table

[edit] Expansion notes in spell lists

Should we include the "Hotu-exclusive", "exp-added" notes for the class page spell lists?--Defunc7 00:29, 11 Sep 2005 (PDT)

• I would think it would start looking messy. The name is wiki'ed to the spell description which has the note about that already. I think that is enough. -- Pstarky 00:38, 11 Sep 2005 (PDT)

• I agree with Pstarky. -- Austicke 18:39, 11 Sep 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Specialist wizards?

When a wizard specialisies in a spell school, they get to prepare extra spells. Is there any relevance or bonus to the school in which they have specialised, other than the prohibition from using spells of the oposite school? EG: Transmutation and Abjuration are both opposed by Conjuration. Is there any difference at all in a wizard specialising in Transmutation from one specialising in Abjuration? --82.163.124.16 14 February 2006

• There is a difference in spellcraft checks since the specialist transmuter will more easily identify transmutation spells compared to the abjurer. Both schools take a -5 penalty in identifying conjuration spells. Harleyquin 14:32, 14 February 2006 (PST)

Is the spellcraft bonus +5 for your relative specialty? RoninOni 09:45, 19 September 2006 (PDT)

• No, the bonus is only +2. See spellcraft. --The Krit 04:38, 21 September 2006 (PDT)

[edit] Spells

do the wizard and sorcerer class have the exact same spells or dose one have have more than the other one --24.89.72.155 9 July 2007

• Yes, they both get the same spells. The difference between the two is taht sorcerers can cast more spells per day, wizards can get higher DCs, and wizards can have more spells known.--Aez 16:16, 9 July 2007 (PDT)

Is there any way to change the order of the list of spells in the spell book? They appear to be listed in the order learned, but that is not very convenient. --24.145.0.58 May 2008

• There is no way that I'm aware of. --The Krit 22:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pseudo-casting (wizard)

Unlike other spell-casting classes the wizard can learn spells by scroll. Spells learned this way are stored at the first wizard class level. If that class level is lost through experience loss only, the wizard will have to relearn all the spells previously learned from scrolls when he relevels. On the other hand if a wizard loses levels but not the first wizard level he will gain access to all the spells previously learned from a scroll when he relevels to his original status.

The criteria to cast a spell for all classes (in general) are

1. An ability score of 10 + spell level.
2. Enough class levels to gain cast at least 0 spells of that spell level
3. Knowledge of that spell in the corresponding class tab
4. For non-spontaneous casting the memorization of that spell, for spontaneous casting at least one casting of that spell level

There is one exception to these rules which requires the use of equipment. An item with the property of bonus spell of a class level. For example if a wizard of level five had a ring that allowed a wizard bonus spell of level three, he could memorize another fireball. But if the wizard had leveled to level seven and learned a fourth level spell and deleveled to level five he could use a ring that gave a wizard bonus spell slot of level 4, he could use this slot for memorizing and casting the fourth level spell he learned, even though he is unable to learn any other fourth level spells. This pseudo-casting of spells has the following criteria:

1. An ability score of 10 + spell level
2. A bonus spell slot of that level
3. Knowledge of that spell in the corresponding class tab (Note: for all other classes besides wizard, knowledge of a spell is lost through deleveling if the resulting class level is not high enough for access to that spell)
4. For non-spontaneous casting the memorization of that spell (Note that meta-magic spells can be pseudo-cast)

Note that only wizards can conceivably pseudo-cast spells of a higher level than they normally could have access to.

Limitations for pseudo-casting

1. Pseudo-casting does not use the ability score chart for additional uses of the spell if the class level is not high enough to normally cast the spell
2. Pseudo-casting uses the current class level of the corresponding class even if it is too low to normally be able to cast the spell (Thus a level one wizard pseudo-casting shapechange will have the polymorph lasting only one turn).
3. Pseudo-casting does not qualify for any feats requiring ability to cast a certain level of spells. Thus Auto Still I and Quicken Spell, for example, could not be qualified for simply by the ability to pseudo-cast spells of the required level.
4. When polymorphing/shifting items giving bonus spell slots are unequipped and the spells memorized in those slots are lost.
5. Clerics cannot pseudo-cast domain spells of a higher spell level than they can normally cast

WhiZard 06:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• Looking at this observation again, I'm thinking it's being made to be a bit more complicated than necessary. The first paragraph is good, but wouldn't the rest be simpler if the criteria to cast a spell for all classes (in general) were stated as the following (only point 2 is changed)?

1. An ability score of 10 + spell level.
2. A spell slot of that spell level.
3. Knowledge of that spell in the corresponding class tab.
4. For non-spontaneous casting, the memorization of that spell; for spontaneous casting, at least one casting of that spell level.

 

This way there is no special exception for "pseudo-casting". All that needs to be added is mentioning that bonus spell slots from a high casting ability are only obtained if the character has at least 0 spell slots of that level on the basis of class level alone (but bonus spell slots from items do not have this limitation).

--The Krit 11:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Epic Wizard Level Progression Table

I noticed that the Wizard class has no chart for Epic Level Progression. Was wondering why that was? I mean even the Fighter class has one, and all it shows is HP Range and bonus feat levels. Is it that the Wizard does not get any more spells per level/per day after 20th? Are they maxed out at 4 per day? If every thing is maxed.. IE Spells, HP range, Saves and such... Why take a Wizard past 20th level? And if they are not maxed out, why not give em a chart like the other classes have? Grom56 03:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

• Saves in epic levels are all +1 for 2 levels, Wizard HP range is always d4 per level, and the spells granted by level (not ability modifier) reach their maximum number at level 20. As for taking wizard past level 20 there are many spells that get more effective in epic levels (e.g. damage shields, flame arrow, mordekainen's disjunction, horrid wiltering) also the duration of non-instantaneous spells is rarely capped thus allowing for long lasting mestil's acid sheath and epic warding. Further epic spells require 21+ wizard levels, the great intelligence feats are offered as bonus feats for the wizard (higher DC), and with 25 wizard levels only breaching spells and invisibility purge can remove your buffs. WhiZard 17:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

• Added epic level progression for all classes that didn't previously have one. WhiZard 21:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the info WhiZard! Handy stuff to know. I'm always finding out new stuff here. And thanks for the chart. So spells per day are capped at 20th level? Good to know as well. Grom56 02:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

• I'm the person who started creating all of those Epic level progression charts for characters, after I've enhanced the existing pre-epic charts and the created all of the progession charts of prestige classes. The reason those 3 classes don't have one is because I got bored doing it before I got around to them. But thank you WhiZard for completing the project. --SevenMass 11:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)