Talk:Automatic quicken spell

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I'm not sure if it would be better to drop the "I - III" from the article name or set up a redirect like this. (I'm pretty sure having to type the Roman numerals in links is inconvenient at best.) I went for the redirect (even though the main article still needs to be included in the Great Renaming). --The Krit 06:50, 13 September 2006 (PDT)

[edit] vs Improved Combat Casting

According to the article, you do not create AOO when casting in combat with quickened spells. In that sense, am I right in saying it just rendered Improved Combat Casting COMPLETELY useless? Or does ICC actually offer something which Automatic Quicken Spell III doesn't? --196.209.251.3 April 2008

• First of all, improved combat casting is useless, because of defensive casting. ICC require 25 concentration and two feat, defensive casting require no feat and does exactly the same thing. The maximum DC is 9+15(1 on Concentration check dont fail the save) so 24 concentration when ICC require 25.
  
  By the way automatic quicken spell have only one advantage, he dont require a combat mode. So you can still Improved expertise but require 3 feat...
  
  Combat casting
  ¤Require 1 pre-epic feat
  ¤Require 1 epic feat
  ¤Require level 22
  ¤Defensive casting does exactly the same thing whitout any prerequire
  ¤Require a combat mode
  
  Automatic quicken spell III
  ¤Require 1 pre-epic feat
  ¤Require 3 epic feat
  ¤Require level 27
  ¤Dont require a combat mode.
  
  So ... ICC is only good on a server with expertise nerfed for caster and... is useless cause defensive mode does exactly the same thing. ILKAY 16:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• The max DC is 9+15+4 if you don't have combat casting. If you want to go without a feat investment, you need 27 concentration to guarantee passing the defensive casting check. --The Krit 18:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• anyway. i think the 'no AoO' rule just counts for the one quickened spell per round. i think one of your 2 casts per round can still be AoOed against. and since haste is much better than AQS III, i wouldn't wast too much brainpower on these feats :D Gruftlord 22:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Can anybody confirm on the only one "no AoO" spell for "Automatic Quicken Spell" per round? Would be interesting to know.

So in a sense, can you perhaps call Improved Combat Casting "a lazy man's defensive casting"? It's quite tedious for a Cleric to activate defensive casting every time he/she wants to throw in something like Storm of Vengeance/Firestorm/Prayer or even a heal. Not to mention it will be using up one of your precious hotkeys. --41.240.60.82 1 May 2008

If there was still any doubt: There never is any AoO for an automatically quickened spell. (tested with patch 1.69 and spells at level 3,4 and 7) GW-Ts 11:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)